All Saints Church Wigan - Burials

Does anyone with local history knowledge know where a person who is recorded in burials is actually buried ? I'm looking for the plot details for one Thomas Hill, who died aged 18 months of cholera. Shown buried at All Saints, Wigan, on 9th August 1849. Abode is given as Spring Gardens.
There's no trace in any of the cemetaries detailed by Freda Chorlton. I think the date is too early.

sorry,Hilly...I can only find what you already have(on Lancs OPC)
A lot of the time,they put the plot no.,especially if someone has bought a new plot..ie tom Smith 1 breadth.
As there was none for the wee baby,I am wondering if he was buried somewhere with others suffering from Cholera.
As it was very contageous,they may not bury them in an ordinary cemetery plot(risk of infection when opening grave to bury someone else)
Could you not contact the History Shop(am sure i saw that on here)or even the Council,to see if thats what happened?
Sorry I couldnt be more help.
Elaine

there were Cholera Pits....there was only one in Lancashire,and that was in Manchester.....

Manchester
Saint Michael's churchyard - in one corner are the cholera pits where more than 40,000 people are said to be interred, mainly representing the common dead, the destitute, the workhouse inmates. Bodies were usually buried in quicklime to hasten their decay.

So that is probably where wee Thomas is buried...hope this helps you.

Elaine

Hello Hilly

As far as I am aware a name is only entered into the burial register if they were buried in the Church/cemetery grounds, a name can be put on a headstone but if the person is not buried there it will not be entered into the burial register. If the Church has kept good records (some Churches kept a grave register) they may be able to advise where a person is actually buried.

the grave will be or was in All Saints cemetery, if it's listed in the records. The burial ground is no longer there it is under the gardens at the front of the church and I believe some of the graves were removed when the area was modernised.

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Gem free,my ancestors had All Saints,on their burial,but we're buried lower Ince Cemetery....they were in the workhouse,and that ,apparently came under district of All Saints. However,as Hillys relative had Cholera,which was a deadly disease,they weren't allowed to be buried in ordinary graves. There were over 40,000 from all over Lancs,buried in Cholera pits in Manchester. On reading about it,I found they cremated people first,then buried their remains in lime-filled pits,..the lime hastened the speed of the decay. Not pleasant I know,but it was the only way to keep the disease under control.
Elaine

what date did the Ince Cemetary's open? Asking because burials at All Saints Church continued until 1904

here's a link to the map showing All Saints grave yard

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Just checked mine again...they buried Wigan Cemetery in 1888,not Ince! Sorry.
However ,when looking on Ince,it said Index to date covered 1857-2009.
Elaine

Hilly
I've been trying to find info on Wigan All Saints burials for some time, so I e-mailed Wigan wlct and Julie Baker - a wonderful mind of information that she is - e-mailed me to gen me up on it. If I am allowed to give the information to you here on the site - by permission of Brian here is what she had to say about it:

"The burials are still in the area around Wigan All Saints no exhuming took place, although there are no longer headstones to represent the graves apart from a few that still remain close to the church. Inscriptions on every stone was copied and a record of 308 graves was carefully prepared and completed in 1906.In pursuance of the Open Spaces Act 1905, notice was given in July 1909, of the intention of the Corporation to apply for a faculty, and in August 1909 copies of the notice were sent by registered post to those persons known to be next relatives of any one whose name was on the stones.The last burial took place in the churchyard in 1904 and by order in Council dated 11th July 1905, the churchyard was closed for burials.It was apparently in a desolate and shocking condition and in 1909, under a special agreement between the Rector and Wigan Corporation, the latter undertook to lay out the churchyard as a garden and to take over the responsibility for maintaining it. Though it still remains the property of the Church and is under the jurisdiction of the Church authorities. With a few exceptions, the old gravestones were buried, the churchyard was re-laid and in 1911 was opened as a garden".

Alihet

re below from your entry

"Inscriptions on every stone was copied and a record of 308 graves was carefully prepared and completed in 1906."

Did Julie tell you if they had copies of the 308 inscriptions still available to view?

There is a book with all of the incriptions on in the History Shop, but even if you find a burial record, you will not necessarily find a headstone inscription. This has been the case with my family research. I am assuming that mine were pauper burials or no headstone or unreadable at the time of the exercise. All Saints is a very old churchyard - the earliest burial on LOPC being in 1754.

Twins born to my gt grandma in Wigan workhouse in 1888,we're buried in a grave with a lot more people.

Hi
To Shaun 452. I'm sorry, but the information I got was only of the record history of All Saints. The records, I know are from 1754, but considering that marriages have been going on since 1594, I would suspect that baptisms and burials also were part of the regular working church - I think that it is just that the records available only start at 1754. Having looked at the burials from St Thomas Upholland, which was the other major burial ground apart from All Saints, I found that the records there also only start in the 1700s, even though I know they did bury before that in this church yard. As far as I know the records are good on the LOPC, but whether or not you can get more information I wouldn't know. Try mailing wlct and ask them. They are extremely helpful.